 thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Wed Feb 22, 11:40PM Post subject:
You're asking about omitting information at MEPS, what is not clear about that?
You're the only person telling me not to lie so I'd really like to know why. I'm more of a "By any means necessary" kind of guy so if it's because of some moral conflict, that won't be an issue. I just don't want to get kicked out if a problem came up.
I'm the only person telling you, because nobody else wants to chime in and do what is right. You're asking service members about lying at MEPS, you have your FB attached to your profile, which shows your city and name. It just takes one person to contact MEPS about this.
Sorry to spoil the mood of the thread. | | Back to top |  |
Pete Nasty
Joined: 10/14/2010
Total Posts: 2285 | Posted: Wed Feb 22, 11:42PM Post subject: I would think that asthma would be an obvious issue once you start basic
If they find out you get separated, no ifs ans or buts.
Sorry fuckin ese. Better off not trying it, especially after asking in the internet | | Back to top | |
IronWolfFirm
Joined: 04/15/2009
Total Posts: 1685
Location: Louisville, Kentucky | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 12:51AM Post subject:
I would think that asthma would be an obvious issue once you start basic
If they find out you get separated, no ifs ans or buts.
Sorry fuckin ese. Better off not trying it, especially after asking in the internet
That's the thing. I have no problem with physical activity. I would probably excel in basic. The only times I ever feel it even a little is once in a while, I'll be laying in bed and start to get a little wheeze. What exactly does separated mean?
You'll get medically discharged and sent home. Your recruiter will probably be really happy with you as well.
I can see where people with asthma are upset..especially if it rarely bothers them. I work out with a guy with asthma and he's a beast...can easily do a 30 minute Crossfit workout and be fine. It's when those attacks hit that it can be dangerous..and fatal if you are in an environment where you have no access to your inhaler. | | Back to top | |
Milo Goes to War
Joined: 09/24/2010
Total Posts: 839
Location: afghanistan | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 02:25AM Post subject: It depends on what kind of asthma you have. If you have exercise induced asthma, some types get better with exercise, some get worse.
If you were diagnosed as a kid, maybe you should go to the doc and see if you still have it.
If you want to get through MEPS tell the truth, and ask to take a pulmonary function test. Let your recruiter know and he should be able to work a waiver with a pulmonary function test that says you're good. The pulmonary function test will have to be taken at a different location after you already got the "no go" from MEPS for having childhood asthma.
Also it's not like they don't give out inhalers when you get broncitis...cuz they definitely do. | | Back to top | |
F.T.W.etBoi
B9 Veteran
Joined: 06/28/2004
Total Posts: 4671
Location: South Boston | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 06:31PM Post subject:
You're asking about omitting information at MEPS, what is not clear about that?
You're the only person telling me not to lie so I'd really like to know why. I'm more of a "By any means necessary" kind of guy so if it's because of some moral conflict, that won't be an issue. I just don't want to get kicked out if a problem came up.
I'm the only person telling you, because nobody else wants to chime in and do what is right. You're asking service members about lying at MEPS, you have your FB attached to your profile, which shows your city and name. It just takes one person to contact MEPS about this.
Sorry to spoil the mood of the thread.
The B9 has officially made it into NCOES. I am currently at the Senior Leader Course and used this situation as one of the case studies for discussion during our "Ethical Military Decision Making, utilizing the Army Values" class. | | Back to top |  |
RobbyFred
Joined: 11/01/2009
Total Posts: 885
Location: Central Mass | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 08:02PM Post subject:
You're asking about omitting information at MEPS, what is not clear about that?
You're the only person telling me not to lie so I'd really like to know why. I'm more of a "By any means necessary" kind of guy so if it's because of some moral conflict, that won't be an issue. I just don't want to get kicked out if a problem came up.
I'm the only person telling you, because nobody else wants to chime in and do what is right. You're asking service members about lying at MEPS, you have your FB attached to your profile, which shows your city and name. It just takes one person to contact MEPS about this.
Sorry to spoil the mood of the thread.
The B9 has officially made it into NCOES. I am currently at the Senior Leader Course and used this situation as one of the case studies for discussion during our "Ethical Military Decision Making, utilizing the Army Values" class.
And what was said? | | Back to top |  |
F.T.W.etBoi
B9 Veteran
Joined: 06/28/2004
Total Posts: 4671
Location: South Boston | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 08:12PM Post subject: 
You're asking about omitting information at MEPS, what is not clear about that?
You're the only person telling me not to lie so I'd really like to know why. I'm more of a "By any means necessary" kind of guy so if it's because of some moral conflict, that won't be an issue. I just don't want to get kicked out if a problem came up.
I'm the only person telling you, because nobody else wants to chime in and do what is right. You're asking service members about lying at MEPS, you have your FB attached to your profile, which shows your city and name. It just takes one person to contact MEPS about this.
Sorry to spoil the mood of the thread.
The B9 has officially made it into NCOES. I am currently at the Senior Leader Course and used this situation as one of the case studies for discussion during our "Ethical Military Decision Making, utilizing the Army Values" class.
And what was said?
All of the NCO's came to an agreement that integrity should be at the forefront in the decision to steer you in the right direction, and in the decision you make in whether to lie or not at MEPS to join the most professional organization in the entire world. Look up the acronym LDRSHIP as it pertains to the Army. This is coming from a combined 250 years of military experience sitting in that room. | | Back to top | |
area51
stupid
Joined: 04/13/2006
Total Posts: 5099
Location: New Jersey / Ft. Benning, GA | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 08:31PM Post subject: I'm playing devils advocate. Will they find out if you don't have an attack, probably not, can you very likely have an attack yes. In all honesty man, asthma is serious shit. I wouldn't lie if I were you. Not so much for the fact that if they did find out they would discharge you, but its your health man. | | Back to top | |
RobbyFred
Joined: 11/01/2009
Total Posts: 885
Location: Central Mass | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 08:36PM Post subject: I don't have "attacks". Once in a blue moon I get a little wheeze. It always seems to be when I'm in bed.
edit: Just for clarification, lying about it has always been my absolute last resort. I plan on talking to the recruiter about it. | | Back to top | |
area51
stupid
Joined: 04/13/2006
Total Posts: 5099
Location: New Jersey / Ft. Benning, GA | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 08:40PM Post subject: Asthma is an automatic DQ, just putting that out there. It may just happen in bed now but it may get worse. | | Back to top | |
RobbyFred
Joined: 11/01/2009
Total Posts: 885
Location: Central Mass | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 08:48PM Post subject: It has only gotten better so far. Milo Goes to War seems to be on to something. | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 09:11PM Post subject:
You're asking about omitting information at MEPS, what is not clear about that?
You're the only person telling me not to lie so I'd really like to know why. I'm more of a "By any means necessary" kind of guy so if it's because of some moral conflict, that won't be an issue. I just don't want to get kicked out if a problem came up.
I'm the only person telling you, because nobody else wants to chime in and do what is right. You're asking service members about lying at MEPS, you have your FB attached to your profile, which shows your city and name. It just takes one person to contact MEPS about this.
Sorry to spoil the mood of the thread.
The B9 has officially made it into NCOES. I am currently at the Senior Leader Course and used this situation as one of the case studies for discussion during our "Ethical Military Decision Making, utilizing the Army Values" class.
And what was said?
All of the NCO's came to an agreement that integrity should be at the forefront in the decision to steer you in the right direction, and in the decision you make in whether to lie or not at MEPS to join the most professional organization in the entire world. Look up the acronym LDRSHIP as it pertains to the Army. This is coming from a combined 250 years of military experience sitting in that room.
I was going to bring LDRSHIP into this topic;I'm glad that you did. | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 09:19PM Post subject: I think that this thread is cool to blow off steam/shoot the $hit, but we still need to have SA about what we say, especially on issues of ethics. LDRSHIP is rank independent. | | Back to top | |
Milo Goes to War
Joined: 09/24/2010
Total Posts: 839
Location: afghanistan | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 10:22PM Post subject: Childhood asthma is an automatic DQ without a waiver. You used to be able to get waivers with a pulmonary function test that said you were good to go. Dunno about now I haven't done recruiting for a couple years.
I will tell you why, from my point of view as a PL, you shouldn't lie to the recruiter or at MEPS. This no shit happened to me. I had an E6 team leader who lied at MEPS and almost got kicked out of basic but some how managed to make it when he had a serious skin condition. Every time he got in the sun he got serious blisters. Not like blisters you get on your feet that fill with puss, but he got blisters that filled with blood, then scabbed over. I can't remember what its called but its a legit thing I looked up when he told me. Well 4 weeks before we're supposed to deploy shit gets too real for him and he decides he is gonna use his disease and get non-deployable. He goes to the doc and they think he has some form of Lupus. Now he's some broke dick TL that the Army spent millions on sending him through EOD school, specialized training afterwards, pre-deployment training, and what is he good for? He can type on a computer, but so can our admin guy.
Do you know how hard it is to get another TL? Not even a full bird colonel will send a new one to us. So now my PSG has to fill the spot, be a TL and a PSG.
To say that everyone in the Army doesn't have some ailment that is wrong with them would be a lie. What leadership is absolutely sick and tired of is excuses. If you got some shit wrong with you, let it be known so you can take care of it, but don't hide it so that later on down the road someone else has to carry your worthless ass. | | Back to top | |
conradmurray
Joined: 10/05/2011
Total Posts: 1283
Location: LA county | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 10:39PM Post subject: Integrity is the only army value I listen to. | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 11:23PM Post subject:
I was going to bring LDRSHIP into this topic;I'm glad that you did.
"Officers will have maximum time to accomplish their duties. They will not have to accomplish mine"
- Creed of the Noncommissioned Officer
How long until you're eligible for SFC? | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 11:27PM Post subject: I can't imagine having asthma in a BCT setting...especially when you are getting smoked. | | Back to top | |
F.T.W.etBoi
B9 Veteran
Joined: 06/28/2004
Total Posts: 4671
Location: South Boston | Posted: Thu Feb 23, 11:29PM Post subject:
I was going to bring LDRSHIP into this topic;I'm glad that you did.
"Officers will have maximum time to accomplish their duties. They will not have to accomplish mine"
- Creed of the Noncommissioned Officer
How long until you're eligible for SFC?
6 months. Way too long. | | Back to top | |
Ian Low
Boomhauer superfan
Joined: 04/18/2008
Total Posts: 8473
Location: Snoochie Boochies/ WA. | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 12:00AM Post subject:
Integrity is the only army value I listen to.
I don't give a fuck what anybody says. It will always be the most important value. I don't feel like you could have any of the others if you are spineless and can't live up to that one. | | Back to top | |
TheKeithster
Joined: 09/27/2010
Total Posts: 224
Location: JBER | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 02:10AM Post subject: I am not entirely sure if its just my unit or not. But are you able to get promoted to E-5 if you cannot pass a tape test? | | Back to top | |
Ian Low
Boomhauer superfan
Joined: 04/18/2008
Total Posts: 8473
Location: Snoochie Boochies/ WA. | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 02:53AM Post subject: I'm going to talk to my PSG tommorow in private. I feel like this section is really fucked up.
This is not the Army tht I am used to.
Apparently, Ft. Lewis is really fucke up, but I just go by my last unit and I don't like this shit. | | Back to top | |
Milo Goes to War
Joined: 09/24/2010
Total Posts: 839
Location: afghanistan | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 05:57AM Post subject:
I'm going to talk to my PSG tommorow in private. I feel like this section is really fucked up.
This is not the Army tht I am used to.
Apparently, Ft. Lewis is really fucke up, but I just go by my last unit and I don't like this shit.
What qualms dost thou have with your unit? | | Back to top | |
RAGE 24/7
Joined: 09/15/2008
Total Posts: 763
Location: 808 by way of 401/757 | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 07:37AM Post subject: I'm projected as going to Fort Lewis for my next assignment. Anyone got any info/experiences they can share? | | Back to top | |
Cam Neely
Joined: 04/10/2008
Total Posts: 2916
Location: Austin, TX | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 08:00AM Post subject: Ok, hold on now.
I understand integrity once in the military. But you gents realize that a lot of the"Greatest Generation" lied to get into the military as well, right? These guys were 16/17 years old and would do anything to join the military. And they are fucking heroes as a result.
So when you all enlisted, you told 100% of the truth the entire time?
I'll be honest, I didn't. I didn't mention that I had mild child hood asthma, and was medicated for depression at one point.
After picking up E-5 in the Marines Corps, I became an Infantry officer. Lead a platoon through one of the worst provinces in Afghanistan while attached to SF. And brought every one of those mother fuckers home.
I think I did ok with myself. While in the military I followed the Corps Values and LDRSHIP in everything I did.
But while in MEPS, I was not a Marine, not a Soldier, not anything. But I was willing to do anything to be given the chance to be one. | | Back to top |  |
Witness
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Joined: 02/15/2006
Total Posts: 4330
Location: louisiana | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 01:41PM Post subject: listen, i haven't read through all the replies about your asthma so here is my two cents.
i know plenty of fuckin eses who have it. if you truly want to join and serve your country then more power to ya. after basic or even during i saw a few fuckin eses mysteriously contract it. they have inhalers. the vast vast majority are wonderful soldiers. fuck the integrity shit, you want to serve your country and you aren't lying about crimes or other IMPORTANT shit, then just don't bring it up at meps. | | Back to top | |
Milo Goes to War
Joined: 09/24/2010
Total Posts: 839
Location: afghanistan | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 05:50PM Post subject:
Ok, hold on now.
I understand integrity once in the military. But you gents realize that a lot of the"Greatest Generation" lied to get into the military as well, right? These guys were 16/17 years old and would do anything to join the military. And they are fucking heroes as a result.
So when you all enlisted, you told 100% of the truth the entire time?
I'll be honest, I didn't. I didn't mention that I had mild child hood asthma, and was medicated for depression at one point.
After picking up E-5 in the Marines Corps, I became an Infantry officer. Lead a platoon through one of the worst provinces in Afghanistan while attached to SF. And brought every one of those mother fuckers home.
I think I did ok with myself. While in the military I followed the Corps Values and LDRSHIP in everything I did.
But while in MEPS, I was not a Marine, not a Soldier, not anything. But I was willing to do anything to be given the chance to be one.
I pretty much have the exact same story. But you have to admit also there are a ton of people that get in the military with a problem like that and later use it as a crutch. | | Back to top | |
vincentpghpa
Madonna Superfan
Joined: 04/21/2005
Total Posts: 5357
Location: Washington State, here I come!!! | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 06:02PM Post subject: My daughter just had Career day at her school. It was a whole hell of a lot harder to talk to a bunch of 5 year olds for 15 minutes than it is to talk to my peers for an hour. They all loved it though. I had full dress with my medals and everything. This was the works! | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Fri Feb 24, 07:21PM Post subject: My point is that folks shouldn't encourage lying. If he is going to do it, then it's on him. | | Back to top | |
OGaffney
Joined: 06/08/2008
Total Posts: 1558
Location: All over America. Mostly California. | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 01:45PM Post subject: Asthma:
Are you currently having problems with Asthma?
If yes, don't join.
If no, join.
How fucking hard was this, guys?
All of us want to serve with the best of the best, and if this recruit wants to be in this badly, he'll probably be a great troop.
They're much more pressing issues than this facing the military service, and our recruits.
Like someone said, though, please don't use asthma, or anything, as an excuse to dip out on a PT run when you're an e4 turd burglar. | | Back to top | |
Witness
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Location: louisiana | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 04:49PM Post subject: god, i love bein an e4 turd burglar. | | Back to top | |
F.T.W.etBoi
B9 Veteran
Joined: 06/28/2004
Total Posts: 4671
Location: South Boston | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 07:38PM Post subject: So anyway, on another note. Who else besides me loves to write OPORDS and do detailed Map Overlays?
I hate listening to full OPORDS being briefed, let alone having to write them and brief them. I want my sham shields back. Fuck this nonsense. Who wants to trade? | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 07:46PM Post subject: Good afternoon, my name is ___________, the time is now XXXX, take out a pen and paper, prepare to copy, hold all questions until the end. | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 08:06PM Post subject: I got an "E" for my final OCS OPORD and lane. We'd always try and help the person doing the OPORD with questions on items that they might've missed. Blue falcons would ask deeper questions on an otherwise decent job.
Having a good skeleton was key, and basically setting it up so that you just plug the info and recite verbatim.
I never do them now though. | | Back to top | |
Ian Low
Boomhauer superfan
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Total Posts: 8473
Location: Snoochie Boochies/ WA. | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 08:19PM Post subject:
I'm projected as going to Fort Lewis for my next assignment. Anyone got any info/experiences they can share?
When are you supposed to go? Do you have pin-point orders for a certain unit? What sor of things would you like to know? Over-all I think the post is pretty nice as a place, in an off duty kind of way. | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Sat Feb 25, 09:06PM Post subject:
Blue falcons would ask deeper questions on an otherwise decent job.
We have that one "sniper" as we call him, in our class. I pictured myself walking over to him, choke-slamming him and stepping on his face when he asked me to expand upon Essential Elements of Friendly Information.
But I politely expanded for his dumb ass who was one question away from failing a multiple choice, open notes, open laptop exam where the wording for the questions took you to the exact answer if you typed them into a .pdf search.
Those window lickers get theirs in the long run. Snipers forget that it works the other way around as well. | | Back to top | |
Milo Goes to War
Joined: 09/24/2010
Total Posts: 839
Location: afghanistan | Posted: Sun Feb 26, 02:24PM Post subject: Has any officers gotten out after their PL time? What kind of jobs are open with our experience? I'm curious because my next step might be getting out. | | Back to top | |
thoseonceloyal
Joined: 10/21/2009
Total Posts: 1305
Location: Global | Posted: Sun Feb 26, 02:49PM Post subject:
Has any officers gotten out after their PL time? What kind of jobs are open with our experience? I'm curious because my next step might be getting out.
Looking forward to Cam's input on this. | | Back to top | |
RAGE 24/7
Joined: 09/15/2008
Total Posts: 763
Location: 808 by way of 401/757 | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 12:39AM Post subject:
I'm projected as going to Fort Lewis for my next assignment. Anyone got any info/experiences they can share?
When are you supposed to go? Do you have pin-point orders for a certain unit? What sor of things would you like to know? Over-all I think the post is pretty nice as a place, in an off duty kind of way.
I won't be there until November. No idea what unit. I'm just trying to find out basic info. How are the post facilities (PX, Commisary, Pools for the kid and shit like that) ? Rent for off-post housing? Things to do in the surrounding area? | | Back to top | |
RAGE 24/7
Joined: 09/15/2008
Total Posts: 763
Location: 808 by way of 401/757 | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 12:40AM Post subject: also, RE-ENLISTMENTOPTIONS SUCK SO BAD RIGHT NOW.
oh well, at this point just being able to re-enlist is a positive thing for most people. | | Back to top | |
Ian Low
Boomhauer superfan
Joined: 04/18/2008
Total Posts: 8473
Location: Snoochie Boochies/ WA. | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 01:01AM Post subject: Ft. Lewis PX and commisary are both pretty good. Often crowded, but they compensate with open registers at the PX, they even have a gun shop in the PX. Plenty of shoppettes. MWR is pretty resourceful. There is an Auto-craft shop near I-corps that is $4.00/ hour (i think) to rent bayspace to work on your POV with tools and mechanics on hand. I-5 literally runs right between Lewis and McChord. You have Tacoma 20 minutes away, Olympia 30 or so minutes away and Seattle a little less than an hour away. Traffic on post isn't bad except for key times during week days, Then it is HORRIBLE. A couple semi-sketchy areas right off post like Lakewood and Spanaway, but still not so bad. So much shopping within a 30 minute drive that your head will explode.
If you are the outdoor type like me, you will love it here. Even if you aren't, there is still plenty to do around the immediate areas.
I have no idea about off-post housing, but I guess I could ask, maybe even pick up some information sheets if you wanted. | | Back to top | |
FeelingMean
Joined: 10/04/2004
Total Posts: 2189
Location: From across the burning sands... | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 01:54AM Post subject: hell yeah, going to the field for a month on Saturday. Does anybody have any tips for packing for the field, I'm already going to be buying a shitload of socks and tan shirts, any suggestions? | | Back to top | |
Witness
Resident B9 Drunkard
Joined: 02/15/2006
Total Posts: 4330
Location: louisiana | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 10:59AM Post subject:
hell yeah, going to the field for a month on Saturday. Does anybody have any tips for packing for the field, I'm already going to be buying a shitload of socks and tan shirts, any suggestions?
ipod, ipod backup charger, head phones, extra headphones, pougey bait, drink mixes, and lots of tobacco. | | Back to top | |
Witness
Resident B9 Drunkard
Joined: 02/15/2006
Total Posts: 4330
Location: louisiana | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 11:00AM Post subject: oh and extra tobacco just in case
maybe even throw in some extra cigarette and dip to be on the safe side. | | Back to top | |
FeelingMean
Joined: 10/04/2004
Total Posts: 2189
Location: From across the burning sands... | Posted: Mon Feb 27, 12:02PM Post subject:
hell yeah, going to the field for a month on Saturday. Does anybody have any tips for packing for the field, I'm already going to be buying a shitload of socks and tan shirts, any suggestions?
TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T LEARN THAT SHIT IN RANGER SCHOOL, SOLDIER.
SKY SOLDIERS ALL THE FUCKING WAY, FUCK THAT RANGER BAT SHIT. | | Back to top | |
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